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Cloudcent · 20th Century Boy Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1192

That's part of what the genre is to me. If i'm playing an action game, i don't need a story. If i'm playing an RPG, there better be at least a decent story to give me a reason to tread through all the hordes of enemies.

I plowed through Xenosaga Ep 2 despite HATING the gameplay simply to see the story(which i'm very fond of) continue. Disgaea, despite having ok gameplay(severely overrated, IMO) the story was just so rediculously lame i couldn't play it at all.

But hey, i loved Tales of Symphonia despite it's cheesy characters/plot.

I don't know, when i play an RPG, the story is pretty damn important. However, if the gameplay excels i can look over a bad plot. But likewise, if the gameplay is really awful, but the plot is fantastic, i'll at least try to make it through to the end.

I say gameplay/story needs to be a good mix. Both are important to the genre. Either could make/break the game. So no vote from me.

LiQuid! · fasta dan a muddafucka! Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 9318

Story is important to no genre of video game. Despite the fact that you are stating an opinion, you are wrong. If you want to experience Xenosaga without all its chittyshittybangbang gameplay, watch the anime. You realize they made that into an anime right? That's only the second most asinine thing I've ever heard in my life, considering the 40 hour game has, what, a half hour of actual gameplay? All the people that have said, "I plowed through Xenosaga despite HATING the gameplay simply to see the story," and believe me, you're about the millionth person I've heard say it, word for word, don't enjoy video games. They enjoy anime. I'm not wrong here. I'm right. You don't like video games. Why don't you just start burning them, Hitler?

Oooooh godwin'd!
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timrpgland · Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:12 am Post subject:

You are stating opinion as well. Some people who play rpgs have a longer attention span than a 6 year old.

Plenty of rpgs are awesome without any story at all but the setting has to be there and is very important in the presentation of a game. A well written story in a video game is rare but when it's there it makes the game that much better. Personally I don't find the gameplay in a lot of rpgs to be that great to begin with so there are other reasons that make me come back. Character development, setting and story are a huge part of a rpg. Whether you think so or not.

You're the one who doesn't play a bunch of rpgs anyway, so what the hell do you know?
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LiQuid! · fasta dan a muddafucka! Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 9318

timrpgland · Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:44 am Post subject:

That's where we differ. Good storytelling is important to me in a rpg.

Like I said before, sure there are good rpgs that don't follow a great story but instead give you the freedom to do what you wish which is awesome too.

My general thinking is if I want great gameplay I play something other than a RPG. We're talking about RPGs here not games in general.

I'm not saying that a great story with absolutely horrid gameplay is a great game. I'm just saying that the flow of the story is what impacts me to play a rpg more than anything else. I don't go to play the same battles over and over again even if it is good gameplay, almost every rpg's gameplay gets old by the time it is over so there is a different reason I finish the game. I don't itch for yet another of the same old style battle.

I don't say oh man those battles are so awesome I want to play more and more of the same thing over again. I usually pick up a rpg again because I want to see what happens next.

There are exceptions to every rule but that is my opinion on the matter.
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Cloudcent · 20th Century Boy Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1192

timrpgland · Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:15 am Post subject:

DemonEdge · Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 331

He's what makes this site more entertaining now adays eh? Wink

But ya what Tim is saying and Savory makes complete sense to me as well. The only reason, or atleast one of the reasons why I play rpg's is because of the story if more then anything as well. Battles count as well but....

lemme... break it down....

RPG...

Role: definition from dictionary.com { A character or part played by a performer. }

Playing: u know the meaning of this...

Game: ya this too......

so ya this is why I believe RPG's are its own category compared to dungeon runners....

(games that try to be rpg's with no story but mindless battles)

You can't forget the story because that's what makes the characters come to life.
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Idin Leis · McCoy fucked me so hard Joined: 19 Oct 2005 Posts: 4627

I pretty much have the same opinion as Liquid.

For instance, The skill system is what is keeping me playing Dragon Quest 8.

Gameplay has always been a huge factor for me. When I was a kid I got very upset when I saw that you can only controll up to 4 characters in FFVI. I figured they were making it easier for kids younger than me. I was in 7th grade at the time.

I still played through it but I was pretty pissed off. Then games like FFVII came out. THREE PEOPLE! This game was HORRIBLY translated. Yet this game got all of the people in the world into RPG's. Perhaps most of you. Then I have people telling me that "story telling" is important. Yet they still consider FFVII one of the best games ever. When it is only because of the kewl GRAPHIX AND FMVs!!!! AND THE OMGWTFBBQ HUGE ASS SWORD.

This started the whole japanese rpg "I dont give a fuck" kind of games. The gameplay is bland. The stories are cookie cut clones from other stories that have done good in the past. And now people are telling me these so called "stories" are what keeps them playing these games. Go watch some anime.

Evolving Gamplay > Story.
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LiQuid! · fasta dan a muddafucka! Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 9318

Idin wins, you all lose. In fact I'd prefer it if RPG's had no story at all, since they're all. Games like Okage can still have stories, but every new Final Fantasy that comes out from now on is not allowed to have any plot or dialogue at all. It's just all the same shit over and over again.
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Cloudcent · 20th Century Boy Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1192

NR · Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:55 am Post subject:

Side note: Funny thing that FF7's "non-story" has easily spawned more conversation, gushing, and praise than any aspect of any other video game, ever. Just something to think about.

To quote Dr. Dre: "Ladies, they pay homage, but haters say Dre fell off it. How, nigga? My last album was The Chrnoic." Word.
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Idin Leis · McCoy fucked me so hard Joined: 19 Oct 2005 Posts: 4627

timrpgland · Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:32 pm Post subject:

Personally, I think it is just trendy for people to hate on FFVII these days. When it came out, I doubt you were like "This game sucks!!" I know I thought it was a very enjoyable game. It did get alot of people into RPGs which was both good and bad. It has spawned many mediocre games to come out but also put the RPG genre over the top in terms of marketability.

I've been playing games since I was 6-7 and I'm 23. FFVII was hardly my first RPG so you can't play that card with me, nice try. I also don't watch anime so that argument is out the door with me.

Gameplay is the most important thing in video games in general, not rpgs.

[laughable]I doubt what kept you playing VI or IV was the INCREDIBLE battles or AWESOME magic system.... Or maybe it was the entertaining walking around the overworld map that kept you coming back OOOOoooo intense![/laughable]

Now games like the Elder Scrolls series, Ultima or other games with "freedom" don't have a strict set story to them but they would be nothing if the setting wasn't interesting. I guess you guys would rather be thrown in a huge black box with just the gameplay intact so you could repeat the same commands over and over again? That's what makes rpgs fun, right?
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LiQuid! · fasta dan a muddafucka! Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 9318

Idin Leis · McCoy fucked me so hard Joined: 19 Oct 2005 Posts: 4627

Now I am forced to argue with the owner at a very horrible level of sobriety. I am guessing this will not end well.

RPG FAN · Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 12

Story definetley.

LiQuid! · fasta dan a muddafucka! Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 9318

You're gay, RPG FAN.

I'm gonna start making dummy accounts to sway to poll too... Oh wait, I already have a dummy account. Let's see if I can remember the login...
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I am NOT LiQuid!, serious · RPGLand forum whore Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 6

I am not LiQuid!, and I did not vote for battle system.

PS LiQuid! is gay.

NR · Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject:

Heh, I see you used it to vote, too.

Edit seconds later: And post.
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