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timrpgland · Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:06 am Post subject:

I never played the second one. Is it really that bad?
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NR · Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:19 am Post subject:

Which second one? We didn't technically get Romancing SaGa 2 in the US if that's what you mean. If you mean SaGa Frontier 2, yes, it's THAT hard. And since the recommendation was "two SaGa games," give Romancing SaGa and/or Unlimited Saga a whirl while you're at it. It's okay if you come home without a ballsack--most of us did.

Cloudcent · 20th Century Boy Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1192

Unlimited Saga. Oh, how i loathe the!

timrpgland · Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:53 am Post subject:

NR · Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:56 am Post subject:

timrpgland · Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:05 am Post subject:

I'm just trying to ruffle some feathers. When I think of really challenging games, (yes, I know, this is about rpgs) RPGs don't pop in til waaay down the list. Which is a shame really but for most it's just a matter of spending time to increase your characters if you can't quite do it yet. If the game doesn't have a standard leveling system like some of those SaGa games (and several others) then the challenge itself is increased but most just require some time dedication which doesn't equate to a difficult game, just time consuming. If skill is involved with the battles then all the better.
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randar23rhenn · Old school JRPG Joined: 29 Dec 2005 Posts: 2098

yah I agree that as a whole the RPG genre is not high on my difficulty ranking list, but there are certain series that certainly delve into the player's ability- SaGa was mentioned, the SMT series is another obvious one, especially the main games... DDS watered it down, but was still much more difficult than the average RPG, and the SMT series at a whole manages to force the player to strategize for weaknesses and resistances
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NR · Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject:

But even in DDS, you can just go do 30-45 minutes of leveling and refight the same boss that killed you, and it'll be a totally different fight. That's where games like Lunar SSSC, SaGa, and I think Valkyrie Profile are different than the norm.

randar23rhenn · Old school JRPG Joined: 29 Dec 2005 Posts: 2098

yah levelling does help, but then that comes in the genre, its almost a given
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NR · Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:10 pm Post subject:

randar23rhenn · Old school JRPG Joined: 29 Dec 2005 Posts: 2098

true enough, i admit defeat on this one, but wait till next time
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Duke Otterland · His Royal Dukeness Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 260

But in DDS, I found victory to be far more dependent on skills than levels (unless you mean acquiring new skills from Mantras as in "leveling").
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Strategos · Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject:

The final boss in Dragon Quest II has it for me hands down, but I haven't played that since I was an RPG nooblet, so that may have something to do with it. I think the final boss on D.Q. I is second, then my memory begins to fail me about previous RPG experiences that I actually beat. Blehg. Does shock therapy help memory problems too? Gosh. One day shock therapy will cure brain cancer, testicular cancer, and lung cancer, and I will not be surprised.
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timrpgland · Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:46 am Post subject:

Well, obviously you didn't read the whole post where I noted that. The fact of the matter is that most RPGs simply require more time dedication rather than actually being difficult. There are exceptions to almost every rule of course and I have noted those exceptions. Don't get you started on tactical rpgs? Why?

Sethimothy · *Accomplished* Bastard Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2174

In that tl;dr post did he just suggest Makai Kingdom was difficult? If so, I laugh at him. I beat the game twice in under 30 hours. That game is to diffuclt what Penis is to Vagina.

For that matter, the only thing difficult about Phantom Brave is when you'd be on a slippery tileset and you'd try to get your character to go a specific place and it would take 18 tries. You'd beat the game, and then you'd start unlocking bonus battles, and you'd probably die... so you skilled up some more, and it was all good.

Also, while I enjoyed getting to watch Saruin die again (with my favorite quote from Gray ("God Killer? I could live with that.") the player had a surprising lack of combos... with that crappy technique he'll never be able to take on the ultimate version of Saruin.

jfreedan · Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 7

It is really easy to talk smack on the internet.

Back up your words :p

Edit: You know what? I'm not done yet, because you didnt even respond to the point my post made-- RPGs require a DIFFERENT kind of skill than a platformer does. The brain works in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT way when you are playing these different games.

So instead of responding to this point, you decided to regurgitate the "lol this game was so easy" bit that is extremely common among people who like to exaggerate about their gaming skills.

I mean, lets take a look at what you posted about FF Tactics:

NR · Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:18 am Post subject: